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this is somewhere in the skies the

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Venus was at its peak brilliance last

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night you probably thought you saw

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something up in the sky other than Venus

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but I saw your scientists have yet to

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discover how neural networks create

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self-consciousness let alone how the

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retinal images into the

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three-dimensional phenomenon known as

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perception yet you somehow brazenly

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declare seeing is believing your

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scientific illiteracy makes me shudder

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and I wouldn't flaunt your ignorance by

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telling anyone that you saw anything

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last night other than the planet Venus

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because if you do you're a dead man you

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can't threaten me I just did

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that song brings back some late 90s

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memories doesn't it I remember when this

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movie came out in theaters a mere two

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distinctly remember surfing the early

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internet message boards where I heard

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tales of strange men approaching UFO

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witnesses and threatening them to keep

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their mouths shut about what they saw

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this terrified me as I became paranoid

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that I was the next on a long long list

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of witnesses that they'd eventually get

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to but then the men in black movie came

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out and shed a rather comedic and

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science-fictional approach to the men in

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black but the more I began to research

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what inspired this Hollywood franchise I

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begin to realized that this was no

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laughing matter and it all began on

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Maury island in the summer of 1947 it

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was late morning when a man named Harold

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Christopher and their dog and two other

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Harold collected logs floating in the

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sound and resold them to lumber mills

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Harold looked in the sky and saw six

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objects floating about 2,000 feet above

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a ship the objects were made of some

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reflective metal doughnut shaped and

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about a hundred feet in diameter the

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center holes were about 25 feet in

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diameter as well Harold said he also saw

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round portholes and what he thought was

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an observation window five of the craft

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circled over the six which stopped

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slowly it hovered about 500 feet above

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Harold put to shore because he was

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afraid the center aircraft was going to

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crash into his boat once ashore he took

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lower ship stayed in position for about

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five minutes with the others still

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circling above one of the ships left the

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formation and moved down touching the

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lower ships suddenly thousands of pieces

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of what he thought were newspapers

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dropped from the inside of the center

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ship most of the debris landed in the

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bay though some of it had to be

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Harold recovered a few pieces finding it

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was white lightweight and metal along

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with the white metal the ship dropped

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about 20 tons of dark metal which he

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said look like lava rock when the lava

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rock hit the water it was so hot that

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steam erupted the men in the boat to

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cover after several pieces landed on the

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boat damaging it some debris hit his son

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in the arm burning him and another piece

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killed Harold's dog after the rain of

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metal the craft rose into the air and

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treatment for his burns and reported

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a men in black just as Harold awoke a

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suit and hat he suggested that they go

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to breakfast together and that he wanted

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stranger asked no questions but instead

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told Harold in great detail about what

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if he were there with him that day

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this startled Harold and soon the man in

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black warned him that bad things would

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happen to he and his family if he told

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anyone what had happened days later

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Harold he ignored the threats of the man

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in black and told them what had happened

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these investigators were on a classified

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mission to see Harold and to gather

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some of the metal that had crashed on

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his boat upon the investigators returned

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to a California airbase the b25 they

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incident many others began to come

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forward to claim visitation by similar

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witness and end with threats to remain

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silent about what they'd seen these

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sometimes very bizarre but who and what

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their endgame be and perhaps one of the

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greatest and longest cover-ups of all

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time today I speak to Rob Kristofferson

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Rob is the host of the our strange skies

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podcast and has been an amateur UFO

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researcher an investigator for nearly 10

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years he's been a lifelong resident of

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the Adirondacks and has had an interest

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in the paranormal from a very early age

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today Rob and I died deep into some of

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the strangest men in black encounters

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that he's come across in his research

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and how men in black have morphed and

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evolve as the ever increasingly elusive

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so without further ado here's my

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conversation with Rob Kristofferson so

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today guys I have decided that I wanted

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to hear from one of my favorite and most

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loyal listeners and that is Rob

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we'd been discussing what we really

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wanted to talk about what what we

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haven't covered on somewhere in the

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skies yet and we decided on men in black

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now this is a topic that I have found

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very fascinating for many years but one

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that I haven't really looked into as

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much as I can fully admit as a UFO

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researcher so who better than the guy

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who I know does his thorough research is

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starting a podcast of his own soon and

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has all of the amazing cases of men in

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black the actual real cases of men in

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black unlike the Hollywood version to

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bring to you today so Rob thank you so

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much for joining me on somewhere in the

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skies thanks for having me on man so

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yeah we've been trying to make it work

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for a while now but the powers that be

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the mi B's have made that a little

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difficult but we are going to make it

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happen today my man dang right if this

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airs and no one hears from either of us

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again they'll know why yeah and and

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remember us get our names out there we

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will become figureheads for this

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movement yes we will remember be alright

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so in my intro for this week's episode I

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spoke about the 1947 Harold Dahl

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incident Maury island which a lot of us

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in the UFO community are familiar with

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but there have been many other

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encounters with them and I wanted to

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talk to you today about some of the most

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popular and also some of the most

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bizarre cases of men in black and one of

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those I found and I know you are aware

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of was that of Albert K bender in 1955

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so to really go out of the gate running

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strong my man could you could you sort

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of run us through your knowledge of the

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Albert bender a young guy from

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Bridgeport Connecticut he became

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obsessed with the occult and the

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paranormal through flight 19 the

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disappearance of flight 19 and from

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there it just kick-started this this

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drive to you know learn more and more

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and more about the paranormal he also

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movies and stuff like that and he would

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eventually turn because he lived with

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his stepfather and in the attic he

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turned his bedroom eventually into this

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like house of horrors kind of room where

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he would freak out his friends and stuff

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like that but yeah in the late 40s he

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he's all obsessed with the the

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paranormal and then when we get to the

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50s he starts to change a little bit and

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he starts to focus on you know flying

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saucers as they were known at that point

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and in April 1952 he creates the

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International Flying Saucer Bureau and

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he publishes like a

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a monthly magazine called space review

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and the group really takes off and for a

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few months it's just it's just going

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steady and then in in July of 52 he gets

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a phone call and nobody's on the other

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end of the line but he gets the sense

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that somebody is actually on the other

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end of the line and you know he's a

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little paranoid about this little

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freaked out and all of a sudden he

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becomes disoriented in his head it's

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just like spinning and everything and

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you know he hangs up the phone and just

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and goes to the movies and this feeling

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comes back over him and he also gets the

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sense that he's being watched that says

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somebody is following him around and he

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leaves the movie theater he goes home

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and he goes up to his because he lives

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in the Attic in this room of horrors

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that he's built and he sees a light

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underneath the door and and he opens it

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up and he sees this bright just bright

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light in his room and he smells sulphur

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and he can also notice because he has

283
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he's kind of like OCD oriented he

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definitely has the characteristics of

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OCD he can note it he notices that like

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the files that he had started to collect

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through the International Flying Saucer

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Bureau they're all rifled through and

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everything like that so you know he gets

290
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the impression that somebody's going

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through his files and stuff like that so

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the the light eventually goes out and

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he's just like he's a little freaked out

294
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and stuff like that but he doesn't think

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anything of it and then November comes

296
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around and he's back at that same movie

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theater and the same intense feeling

298
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that comes over him again in his head

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and everything like that and he looks

300
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next to him and a man just suddenly

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materializes in a seat like right next

302
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to him oh my god and typical kind of men

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in black kind of outfit he's got the

304
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black suit on white shirt all that stuff

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the really freaky thing about him though

306
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is that his eyes

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are like the best way to describe them

308
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because he said they were emitting light

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is that you've seen Ghostbusters too

310
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right oh yeah yeah you remember when

311
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yawn oh she's that one scene with yawn

312
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ocean that in that hallway after he goes

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and checks Elena and his eyes just glow

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like flashlights that is the that's the

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way that he describes it so yeah he gets

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freaked out and eventually he just

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closes his eyes tries to put it out of

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his head opens about guys not there

319
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anymore so it just keeps watching the

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movie and I can't believe he just kept

321
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watching the movie yeah

322
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but then the same feeling comes over him

323
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again and he turns around and he sees

324
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the guy there and then he just books it

325
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right at him okay okay yeah yeah and

326
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eventually after more repeat visits he

327
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he basically shuts down the IFSP stops

328
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putting out space review and and and

329
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sends a letter out in the last issue

330
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telling people to be careful and it's it

331
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was maybe a few years after that because

332
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nobody really knew why he had shut it

333
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down and everything like that and then

334
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gray Barker comes out with his book they

335
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knew too much about flying saucers and

336
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gray Barker was an investigator with the

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IFS bee and he publishes this book which

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it delves into kind of the men in black

339
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phenomenon a little bit and the and the

340
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key story and that is Albert bender

341
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story and he comes out saying that there

342
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were these three guys that appeared in

343
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his bedroom and told him to stop talking

344
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about it so that's the story for for a

345
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long time and then about six years after

346
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Barker publishes that book he Albert

347
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bender comes out with his own book

348
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called the flying saucers and three men

349
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and he tells his story and says that

350
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these three men did appear to him in his

351
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bedroom and they weren't your typical

352
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like men and black as we think of them

353
00:16:10,829 --> 00:16:08,079
today he said that their outfits made

354
00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:10,839
them seem more like priests almost like

355
00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:12,670
they were wearing clerical collars and

356
00:16:17,230 --> 00:16:14,860
stuff like that and they transported him

357
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to the Antarctic

358
00:16:23,510 --> 00:16:20,880
okay all right we really are starting

359
00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:23,520
with the most interesting one here yeah

360
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oh yeah

361
00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:26,460
all right so bender is in the Antarctic

362
00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:28,830
got it yes and the in these aliens

363
00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:31,380
they're aliens they're not people okay

364
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,630
not bad they are aliens they take him

365
00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:36,000
and they have this operation underground

366
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and they're basically using salt water

367
00:16:46,460 --> 00:16:43,110
as fuel for their space shifts okay

368
00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:46,470
and they basically tell bender you know

369
00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:47,730
you're getting too close to this you

370
00:16:58,580 --> 00:16:49,770
need to stop talking about it or we're

371
00:17:01,370 --> 00:16:58,590
gonna you know take care of you here's

372
00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:01,380
the message you have dedicated yourself

373
00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:04,110
to the solution of the strange problem

374
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:05,700
of unidentified object in your

375
00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:09,210
atmosphere your interest is deep and

376
00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:12,030
sincere and you have devoted many hours

377
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:15,570
to it we also know that such interest a

378
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:17,730
determination might lead to something

379
00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:20,850
that could bring you harm we feel that

380
00:17:28,730 --> 00:17:23,400
you are a very good contact for us on

381
00:17:31,790 --> 00:17:28,740
your planet and we know that what we

382
00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:31,800
tell you and show you will not be

383
00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:35,190
believed by anyone you might tell you

384
00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:37,470
are not a person of great renown on your

385
00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:39,510
planet therefore we have nothing to fear

386
00:17:44,660 --> 00:17:42,360
at present we have a purpose for being

387
00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:44,670
here and we will be here for some time

388
00:17:51,290 --> 00:17:47,880
yet we must not be disturbed in our

389
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:51,300
ultimate goal so that was that and to

390
00:17:55,910 --> 00:17:54,000
make the matter even stranger the

391
00:17:57,890 --> 00:17:55,920
appearance of these of these men and

392
00:17:59,540 --> 00:17:57,900
black their real true appearance he said

393
00:18:03,050 --> 00:17:59,550
they look like exactly like the

394
00:18:05,570 --> 00:18:03,060
flatwoods monster okay alright and we

395
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:05,580
did have a bonus episode of somewhere in

396
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:07,170
the skies where we covered that case

397
00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:08,960
extensively I'm sure you heard that one

398
00:18:15,460 --> 00:18:13,140
that's very very interesting yeah I can

399
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:15,470
imagine those those big glowing eyes

400
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,120
being a big part of this no I have to

401
00:18:22,910 --> 00:18:20,400
ask what do you make of all this with

402
00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:22,920
bender being one of the you know besides

403
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:24,630
Maury island and a few others this is

404
00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:26,850
one of the bigger men in black cases

405
00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:28,780
that we really start with

406
00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:31,900
this is the mid-50s so you know getting

407
00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:34,930
transported to the Antarctic cut the

408
00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:36,550
flatwoods monster involved what do you

409
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:38,110
what do you make a bender what what are

410
00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:39,280
your thoughts on all this

411
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,810
bender is an interesting character

412
00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:43,840
because he he definitely had mental

413
00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:46,180
issues he had mental disorders you know

414
00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:49,750
that Nick Redfern points to in his book

415
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,110
the real men in black where he had he

416
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,320
was definitely had OCD of a certain type

417
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,200
he was also a hypochondriac he was he

418
00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:01,440
had a deathly a deathly fear of

419
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:06,130
contracting cancer so what I believe is

420
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:09,520
that what he ran afoul of was actually

421
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:12,310
the FBI because back in the early 50s

422
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:16,210
the FBI we're looking into these types

423
00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:18,490
of UFO groups that keep popping up and

424
00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:20,920
all these civilian UFO groups and they

425
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,460
see them as almost a way for like

426
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:27,280
communists to infiltrate and like they

427
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:29,050
see you know they're the FBI I was

428
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:30,640
thinking at the time that they could

429
00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:34,330
fake a like you a massive UFO event and

430
00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:38,230
and then launch an attack okay no now

431
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:41,020
that's interesting because for any of

432
00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:42,730
our listeners who follow the work of

433
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:45,310
Steven Greer I personally am NOT one of

434
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:48,640
them but we won't go there that is his

435
00:19:52,550 --> 00:19:50,650
big his big thing right now with his

436
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,560
unacknowledged film which went

437
00:19:58,860 --> 00:19:54,880
completely mainstream it was one of the

438
00:20:01,080 --> 00:19:58,870
top documentaries 2017 I believe and he

439
00:20:04,110 --> 00:20:01,090
has this idea that even today that the

440
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:04,120
the military wants to stage an alien

441
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:06,730
invasion to see how we would react and

442
00:20:11,130 --> 00:20:09,070
to use their their militant powers so

443
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:11,140
that's that's pretty fascinating in my

444
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:15,970
opinion yeah yeah and to drive the point

445
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:19,360
will further home great Barker also

446
00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:22,210
received a visit from the FBI a couple

447
00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:24,220
months before they shut down the I FSB

448
00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:27,820
because he had been given cards to give

449
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:29,950
out to people it said you know a great

450
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:32,890
Barker investigator with the IFS be and

451
00:20:38,610 --> 00:20:36,250
this these bogus well they weren't bogus

452
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:38,620
but these FBI agents show up at his door

453
00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:41,110
claiming that they got this card from

454
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:42,040
some guy

455
00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:44,470
who had had a seizure in Florida and was

456
00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:46,870
in this hospital name you know wanted to

457
00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:49,750
know more about what the IFSP was doing

458
00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:52,540
and all that kind of stuff so definitely

459
00:20:58,140 --> 00:20:55,750
it seems to be more leaning towards the

460
00:21:01,470 --> 00:20:58,150
official you know like an official body

461
00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:01,480
trying to intervene here and I wouldn't

462
00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:03,340
put it past bender to kind of stretch

463
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,780
the truth like a lot so it would kind of

464
00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:10,000
make sense you know yeah yeah I

465
00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:12,550
completely get that well I mean all

466
00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:15,100
right let's move on Rob this is this is

467
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:17,350
a bizarre case we could definitely hash

468
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:20,050
this one out forever but one of the more

469
00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:22,810
interesting ones that I really took to

470
00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:24,760
and found some some credence and

471
00:21:28,350 --> 00:21:27,460
credibility with was in 1967 this was a

472
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:28,360
case that you brought to my attention

473
00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:30,610
that I'd never heard of when someone who

474
00:21:35,310 --> 00:21:32,590
was not involved directly with UFO

475
00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:35,320
research kind of had it fall into his

476
00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:37,780
lap or onto his car I guess it's a

477
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:39,700
better way of putting it and that's when

478
00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:41,290
things really got strange this is the

479
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:43,990
case of Robert Richardson so you got to

480
00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:45,970
tell us about this one so yeah back in

481
00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:49,540
67 Robert Richardson he's driving near

482
00:21:54,570 --> 00:21:52,120
Whitehouse Ohio and he's driving with

483
00:21:57,390 --> 00:21:54,580
his friend Jerry quay and they round a

484
00:21:59,700 --> 00:21:57,400
bend and when they turn around this Bend

485
00:22:03,840 --> 00:21:59,710
they see they can see an object a bright

486
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:03,850
object in the road and he's coming up on

487
00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:06,160
it quick and he basically just shuts his

488
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:09,040
eyes and he tries to you know slam on

489
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:10,810
the brakes but he still ends up hitting

490
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:14,170
this thing and whatever it is disappears

491
00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:17,130
instantly once once he hits it and

492
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,000
Richardson's kind of freaked out about

493
00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:22,000
it he gets the police out there police

494
00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:24,430
can't find anything other than like skid

495
00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:26,470
marks his own skid marks from the car

496
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:28,200
but the next day

497
00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:30,760
Richardson's looking at his car and he

498
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:33,790
he he finds a piece of metal that that

499
00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:35,530
he things came off this thing

500
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:38,020
and he also notices that the chrome from

501
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:39,850
his front bumper is kind of stripped off

502
00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:42,490
a little bit so he sends a telegram to

503
00:22:49,950 --> 00:22:46,630
Korell Lorenzen and he sends this all

504
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:49,960
this stuff to a pro the the metal and

505
00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:52,690
like parts of his I think he sends part

506
00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:55,000
of the bumper to just to have it

507
00:22:58,879 --> 00:22:55,590
annulled

508
00:23:01,129 --> 00:22:58,889
and a few days later at three days later

509
00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:01,139
he receives a visit from two guys

510
00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:05,159
they're driving a 1953 mint Cadillac

511
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:08,309
there we go perfect and they have a

512
00:23:11,779 --> 00:23:10,169
strange plate on it and he eventually

513
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:11,789
checks the plate and the plate doesn't

514
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:14,610
it's never been issued but they just

515
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,820
have a friendly chat about you know UFOs

516
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:19,799
and stuff like that and they don't say

517
00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:21,480
anything else they just show up for like

518
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:23,340
ten minutes talk and then leave and then

519
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:26,370
about a week later there's two different

520
00:23:31,399 --> 00:23:29,220
men there they're darker complected they

521
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:31,409
he describes Richardson describes them

522
00:23:36,109 --> 00:23:34,200
it's looking almost foreign and they

523
00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:36,119
show up and they and they in no

524
00:23:41,499 --> 00:23:38,039
uncertain terms and they're even at a

525
00:23:45,109 --> 00:23:41,509
different cards in 1967 dodge sedan and

526
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:45,119
they show up looking for the piece of

527
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:48,299
metal and and Richardson says hey I gave

528
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:51,690
this piece of metal to a pro and and the

529
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,360
guys in no uncertain terms say if you

530
00:24:00,139 --> 00:23:55,679
want your wife to stay as pretty as she

531
00:24:03,019 --> 00:24:00,149
is you'd better get that metal back easy

532
00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:03,029
and the thing is is Richardson's claims

533
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:05,190
that the only people he discussed the

534
00:24:11,239 --> 00:24:08,460
metal width were coral resin Nils

535
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:11,249
Paquette who was a an a pro researcher

536
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:14,070
and his wife that was it so they got

537
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:16,169
wind of this somehow so it makes you

538
00:24:24,259 --> 00:24:20,940
wonder well who was in the craft how'd

539
00:24:26,509 --> 00:24:24,269
they know so yeah and you know here we

540
00:24:30,019 --> 00:24:26,519
have a case where there's trace evidence

541
00:24:32,659 --> 00:24:30,029
and presumably metal from a craft and

542
00:24:36,889 --> 00:24:32,669
where is it now Rob that's what I'm

543
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:36,899
wondering like it was examined I was

544
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:39,990
examined by a man named Roy Craig of the

545
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:44,700
Colorado University project and he

546
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:48,299
tested the metal and the bumper and he

547
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:50,610
found that the metal piece didn't have

548
00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:54,570
any it wasn't made up of anything exotic

549
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,070
or anything like that it was made up of

550
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,679
iron and chromium and with trace

551
00:25:04,249 --> 00:25:01,679
elements of nickel and manganese but he

552
00:25:07,009 --> 00:25:04,259
found that the bumper where this chrome

553
00:25:08,659 --> 00:25:07,019
was stripped away was 92 92 percent

554
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,669
magnesium so

555
00:25:13,609 --> 00:25:11,460
it was it was unusual but they don't

556
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:13,619
determine that it's anything really

557
00:25:17,389 --> 00:25:16,289
incredibly out of the ordinary right you

558
00:25:19,099 --> 00:25:17,399
know we might not be looking at

559
00:25:20,989 --> 00:25:19,109
something extraterrestrial but again

560
00:25:22,879 --> 00:25:20,999
like who's to say that some of these men

561
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:22,889
in black aren't working for our own

562
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:24,210
government and this wasn't some

563
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,460
top-secret military project you know we

564
00:25:30,619 --> 00:25:28,559
run into that time and time again but

565
00:25:32,389 --> 00:25:30,629
wow that's that's a fascinating case

566
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:32,399
what a mean thing to say if you want

567
00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:35,609
your wife to not be as pretty I just

568
00:25:39,889 --> 00:25:37,470
can't imagine that's that's the threat

569
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:39,899
they came up with it yeah pretty much

570
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:42,960
you know it's like dang yeah can't we

571
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:45,720
just talk about this yeah let's hash

572
00:25:50,479 --> 00:25:48,210
this out over some beers guys yeah

573
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:50,489
nothing too serious come on yeah all

574
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:52,710
right well this next one Rob that you

575
00:25:56,509 --> 00:25:54,330
brought to my attention this is a

576
00:25:59,509 --> 00:25:56,519
two-parter so we will take our time with

577
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:59,519
this one because we have we have two

578
00:26:03,979 --> 00:26:02,039
aspects of this by a gentleman named

579
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:03,989
Herbert Hopkins and the first half of

580
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:06,570
the story is a case that Hopkins was

581
00:26:11,539 --> 00:26:08,850
personally investigating one that you've

582
00:26:13,159 --> 00:26:11,549
been digging deep into recently and then

583
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:13,169
his encounter with men in black being

584
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,970
the second half so let's start with the

585
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,980
first act you know the first act of the

586
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:18,600
play before we get to the intermission

587
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:21,960
what was this case in 76 that Hopkins

588
00:26:26,989 --> 00:26:24,659
was researching and then ultimately will

589
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:26,999
we'll get to how the MIB got involved

590
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:32,700
yeah so Hopkins was asked to take part

591
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:35,850
in the investigation of the abduction of

592
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,090
a man named David Stephens he was a 22

593
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:41,460
year old guy who would recently been

594
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:44,129
discharged from the Navy and he shared

595
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,779
it he shared a trailer with this guy

596
00:26:50,479 --> 00:26:48,059
named Glenn gray they had they had just

597
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:50,489
met like maybe weeks before the sense

598
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,049
that it happened and they were both

599
00:26:58,039 --> 00:26:54,419
worked in the same Factory worked worked

600
00:26:59,989 --> 00:26:58,049
the same shift and everything and it was

601
00:27:01,369 --> 00:26:59,999
their day off and they were they were

602
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:01,379
staying up extra late because they

603
00:27:05,419 --> 00:27:03,059
worked the night shift so they wanted to

604
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,429
sleep in the morning to stay with their

605
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:07,799
sleep schedule so they decided to go for

606
00:27:12,859 --> 00:27:10,679
a drive and they were gonna drive past

607
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:12,869
Stephens parents place which was like

608
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:14,700
miles down the road and stuff like that

609
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:17,070
and head towards this lake and almost

610
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:21,810
nearly after they leave their driveway

611
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:23,730
he does he claims he doesn't have

612
00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:25,710
control of the vehicle that something

613
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:27,660
else has control of the vehicle it's

614
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:29,790
2:30 in the morning they cover about

615
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:33,210
eight miles in two to three minutes and

616
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:35,610
he claims that you know this is a really

617
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:37,890
bumpy road and they didn't feel it

618
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:40,350
didn't feel bumpy at all the ride didn't

619
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:42,360
feel bumpy he was he felt like they were

620
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,700
almost colliding like the vehicle is off

621
00:27:49,790 --> 00:27:46,860
the ground a little bit and they come up

622
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:49,800
to this bend they round this Bend and

623
00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:52,380
that seems to be a theme with this kind

624
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:54,780
of stuff you around a bend and they see

625
00:27:59,840 --> 00:27:57,690
these lights in a field and then all of

626
00:28:02,420 --> 00:27:59,850
a sudden they shoot up and this craft

627
00:28:05,150 --> 00:28:02,430
lifts into the air and they describe

628
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:05,160
this craft as being as big as a football

629
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:09,000
field so in an end cigar-shaped it made

630
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:10,710
no noise they rolled down their window

631
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,530
just see if they could hear it and

632
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:15,360
everything and they there they get

633
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:17,610
freaked out they they drive off this

634
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:20,370
craft stays with them for a certain

635
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:22,590
period of time flying overhead and then

636
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:24,930
at a certain point it hits them with a

637
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:27,690
beam of light it moves the car to the

638
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:29,130
other side of the road into the

639
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:31,470
left-hand Lane and that's when they've

640
00:28:36,860 --> 00:28:35,130
both men just black out hey guys I have

641
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662
00:29:33,410 --> 00:29:30,810
point David Stevens remembers he's on

663
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:33,420
board whatever craft this is he's

664
00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:35,680
looking down at his vehicle

665
00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:38,470
see it and you could see Glenn in the

666
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:40,840
driver's side still down there and like

667
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:43,000
some kind of suspended animation of some

668
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:45,820
kind and this being comes into the room

669
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:51,430
and it is the craziest Mitaka bout grays

670
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:53,170
and stuff like that in the descriptions

671
00:29:57,090 --> 00:29:54,670
of grades the see if it goes a little

672
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:57,100
bit beyond that yeah you were showing me

673
00:30:02,040 --> 00:29:58,750
these images last night we were talking

674
00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:02,050
and yeah yeah give us a little

675
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:03,460
description of what these were these are

676
00:30:07,470 --> 00:30:05,170
these are beings that I have never

677
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:07,480
encountered in all of my abduction

678
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:09,970
research yeah me neither

679
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:11,740
they were about four and a half feet

680
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,590
tall it had a he said the head was

681
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:16,960
shaped like a mushroom and had slanted

682
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:20,710
eyes like a grey two two dots for a nose

683
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,100
no facial hair pale complected it had

684
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:26,500
three fingers and a thumb but the

685
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:28,630
fingers were webbed which was really

686
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:31,660
weird they wore like a robe he described

687
00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:32,710
what they were wearing is like a

688
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:36,280
paper-thin robe that went down to pretty

689
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:37,810
close to their feet and he also

690
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:39,160
described them as wearing like

691
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:41,560
paper-thin shoes at the same time and

692
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:45,070
this being comes in it it speaks to him

693
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:47,140
telepathically and says you know don't

694
00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:48,850
be afraid we're not gonna hurt you and

695
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:50,740
he and he gets him to come into this

696
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:54,310
next room and there's four more beings

697
00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:56,380
like this in the room and they put him

698
00:31:01,290 --> 00:30:58,840
on a table and it's it's not exactly

699
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:01,300
like your typical abduction experience

700
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:05,050
he they take he what he describes as two

701
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:07,510
pricks of blood and at that point they

702
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:10,630
want him to undress and he doesn't want

703
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:12,310
anything to do with it and he ends up

704
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:15,010
hitting one of them in the head okay it

705
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:17,590
doesn't react it just reassures him hey

706
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:20,050
we're not going to hurt you we promise

707
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:22,330
all this good stuff and you know it

708
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:24,430
calmed down they helped him out of his

709
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:27,310
clothes he lays down on this table and

710
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:29,770
they run this like x-ray machine all

711
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:30,700
over his body

712
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:34,090
they take fingernail samples and hair

713
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:36,520
samples gather it up he puts his clothes

714
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:39,310
back on and they they put them back in

715
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:41,770
his in the vehicle and you know they're

716
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:45,010
ready to drive off the the craft pursues

717
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:47,470
them even after this for a few more

718
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:48,700
miles and

719
00:31:52,139 --> 00:31:50,409
when all is said and done when they

720
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:52,149
finally make it to David Stephens

721
00:31:55,979 --> 00:31:54,129
parents house it's seven o'clock in the

722
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:55,989
morning so five and a half hours have

723
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:58,330
gone by okay there's our missing time

724
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,320
yep Wow Wow

725
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:05,440
oh man that's that is a pretty bizarre

726
00:32:09,899 --> 00:32:07,809
abduction case I must say especially how

727
00:32:11,999 --> 00:32:09,909
detailed it was with what they were

728
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,009
doing to him you know often you know

729
00:32:17,729 --> 00:32:13,840
when we hear these hypnotic regressions

730
00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:17,739
it can be pretty typical um sometimes

731
00:32:23,249 --> 00:32:20,919
but this one was so detailed so okay so

732
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:23,259
we have this abduction case no how did

733
00:32:28,109 --> 00:32:25,090
Herbert Hopkins get involved with this

734
00:32:31,409 --> 00:32:28,119
one this case was investigated by at

735
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:31,419
least three independent investigators

736
00:32:35,009 --> 00:32:33,309
with different groups the first one was

737
00:32:37,109 --> 00:32:35,019
Brent Raines he came he was an

738
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:37,119
investigator with QED folks at the time

739
00:32:41,549 --> 00:32:39,190
he comes in he does the initial

740
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:41,559
investigation he gets a woman by the

741
00:32:46,379 --> 00:32:44,169
name of Shirley Pickett she's with a

742
00:32:51,869 --> 00:32:46,389
group called the International UFO UFO

743
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:51,879
Bureau and through her she she knows dr.

744
00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:53,970
Herbert Hopkins Herbert Hopkins is

745
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,220
essentially he's a family physician but

746
00:33:03,869 --> 00:32:59,919
he also does hypnosis he does hypnosis

747
00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:03,879
too he uses it primarily during

748
00:33:09,389 --> 00:33:06,429
pregnancy to help manage pain but also

749
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:09,399
he is he came to use it for people who

750
00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:11,830
have addictions to help help them combat

751
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:14,440
that and stuff like that and so she

752
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:16,330
brings Herbert Hopkins and Herbert

753
00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:19,090
Hopkins over the course of about a year

754
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,419
does these hypnotic regressions on david

755
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:25,840
stevens glenn gray portland grey he he

756
00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:27,970
flees to oklahoma when he doesn't want

757
00:33:32,369 --> 00:33:30,519
anything to do with it right - even his

758
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:32,379
parents don't believe him the poor guy

759
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:35,710
so he takes off for Oklahoma to go live

760
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:39,580
with his he had family out that way so

761
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:42,220
they bring in Herbert Hopkins he he

762
00:33:46,590 --> 00:33:44,289
uncovers all of this information and

763
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,600
about a year later almost a year later

764
00:33:52,139 --> 00:33:49,440
on September 11th 1976 8:00 p.m.

765
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,149
Saturday night Herbert Hopkins get its a

766
00:33:56,609 --> 00:33:54,159
call on the phone from a man claiming to

767
00:33:59,099 --> 00:33:56,619
be from the New Jersey UFO research

768
00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:59,109
organization which later on each X in -

769
00:34:03,149 --> 00:34:01,090
and does not exist okay

770
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,159
and he wants to talk about the David

771
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,919
Stevens case he also asks him if he is

772
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:08,639
alone which is a red flag right there

773
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:11,010
someone's asking you if you're alone I

774
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:17,500
know there's plenty of yeah just don't

775
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:18,010
do it

776
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:20,290
and you know as soon if he could stop by

777
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:23,800
so he and this is completely

778
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:25,990
uncharacteristic for dr. Hopkins he says

779
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:28,960
yeah sure come on over so from the time

780
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:30,730
that he hangs up to the phone to the

781
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:32,740
time that he goes to turn on his front

782
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:34,690
porch light there's a man that starts

783
00:34:38,579 --> 00:34:37,030
coming up the porch stairs before he's

784
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:38,589
even made it so he turns on the light

785
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:40,179
and he sees this guy he's already coming

786
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:41,889
up his porch stairs yeah it's not freaky

787
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:45,940
at all so he you know he lets the guy in

788
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:51,270
and the the description of this man is

789
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:55,540
so chilling he's he's about 5 foot 8 140

790
00:35:00,059 --> 00:34:57,609
pounds he's wearing you know the typical

791
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:00,069
men of black clothing the and he's got a

792
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:03,900
black Derby on he dr. Hopkins makes

793
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:06,849
painful details about the man's clothes

794
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,030
like they were ill-fitting but like they

795
00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:12,160
did not have a wrinkle and they didn't

796
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:14,200
wrinkle like when he sat down the

797
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:17,230
creases were perfect every time but he

798
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:19,900
was hairless he had a he had a small he

799
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:22,900
had small nose and ears very pale he had

800
00:35:29,819 --> 00:35:26,530
very red lips and just had really odd

801
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,829
mannerisms and he inquired about the the

802
00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:33,040
the Stevens case in an expressionless

803
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:35,859
dull tone and he didn't use complete

804
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,410
sentences he just used like random words

805
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:40,720
and phrases like this is a guy that

806
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:45,010
would have been obsessed with the M - so

807
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,130
after dr. Hopkins tells him about this

808
00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:50,740
the man in black says yeah that's just

809
00:35:55,740 --> 00:35:52,359
what I thought and and then at this

810
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:55,750
point he wipes his mouth and a he

811
00:36:00,510 --> 00:35:59,200
Hopkins notices that the the that he's

812
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:00,520
definitely wearing red lipstick because

813
00:36:06,059 --> 00:36:02,170
it's smeared on his glove because

814
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:06,069
wearing some grey gloves and he tells

815
00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:08,050
Herbert Hopkins that he has two coins in

816
00:36:12,569 --> 00:36:09,940
his pocket and he says take one of them

817
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:12,579
out that's not freaky at all exactly how

818
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:14,710
much change you got in your [\h__\h] yeah

819
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:17,740
okay so he takes it out of his pocket he

820
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:20,110
holds it at his palm and the guy says

821
00:36:26,910 --> 00:36:22,530
don't look at me look at the coin and

822
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,920
the it's a penny and it changes from the

823
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:29,200
copper color to a silver color then it

824
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:31,330
becomes a light blue color and then it

825
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:34,210
becomes blurred and it almost like it

826
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:36,850
it's going out of focus mm-hmm and then

827
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:38,740
he says it becomes vaporous until it

828
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:42,670
just completely fades away so he's like

829
00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:44,830
hey that's a pretty cool trick yeah and

830
00:36:50,010 --> 00:36:47,980
without missing a beat the the piano

831
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:50,020
black says hey do you know how Barney

832
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,010
Hill died like what at the time Hopkins

833
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:56,560
thought that Barney Hill had died from a

834
00:37:00,450 --> 00:36:57,970
heart attack but that's not true he

835
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:00,460
actually died from a stroke but anyway

836
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:05,230
the the man in black says no he he died

837
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:07,150
because he didn't have a heart just as

838
00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:09,820
just as Hopkins no longer has a coin

839
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:13,240
perhaps the most convoluted empty thread

840
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:14,290
I've ever heard

841
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:17,950
yeah right I but still just the way the

842
00:37:22,350 --> 00:37:19,990
guy that was saying it was intimidating

843
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:22,360
enough to him and he says you need to

844
00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:23,980
destroy your work or you'll suffer the

845
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:26,200
same fate as Barney Hill at this point

846
00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:30,130
this this MIB his speech begins to slow

847
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:33,100
down he gets to his feet and he's

848
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:35,050
struggling a little bit he says my

849
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:37,630
energy is running low must go now

850
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:41,050
goodbye your rushes out he he goes one

851
00:37:46,110 --> 00:37:43,030
step at a time down the stairs and

852
00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:46,120
Hopkins can see this light it's coming

853
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:48,100
up his driveway and he assumes that it's

854
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:50,500
a car headlights but no what happens is

855
00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:54,160
this guy this MIB walks into the duyst

856
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,720
driveway into the light and then it just

857
00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:57,520
disappears and so it's the man in black

858
00:38:03,840 --> 00:37:59,740
of course of course

859
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:03,850
now wow this one I don't even know where

860
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:04,210
to begin

861
00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:05,530
you know there's some theories that this

862
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:08,950
was some sort of robotic alien men in

863
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:10,600
black you know and then we have other

864
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:12,700
cases where they're pale and they have

865
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,820
black eyes now the mi B's they run a

866
00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:18,400
cannon man from like straight-up

867
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:23,140
government officials to aliens to b ches

868
00:38:28,290 --> 00:38:25,720
it's it's astounding the amount of

869
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:28,300
accounts that have come in terms of what

870
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:30,490
happens after someone has a UFO event

871
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,880
and a lot of these cases - we often

872
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:35,440
think of having happened in the fifties

873
00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:38,080
the sixties the seventies but you

874
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:40,120
brought another one to my attention that

875
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:43,810
is pretty recent this is in 2009 in

876
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:46,180
Niagara Falls when a hotel manager in a

877
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:47,530
security guard that worked at the

878
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:49,690
Sheraton Hotel they supposedly saw a

879
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:52,420
triangular UFO and almost a year later

880
00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:54,760
is when they got visited so you have to

881
00:38:59,970 --> 00:38:56,980
tell me about the case of Shane Savar so

882
00:39:02,460 --> 00:38:59,980
yeah Shane so far he's working one night

883
00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:02,470
and the security officer is looking out

884
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:06,340
over the falls and you can see this he

885
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:09,130
could see a light out there and he gets

886
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:11,710
so FAR's attention he says there's

887
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:13,690
either they're either looking for

888
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:15,930
something that has crashed over there or

889
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,780
it's a UFO those are your only two

890
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:22,720
options right now black or white yeah so

891
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:26,140
um at a certain point they say that you

892
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:27,490
know this thing is starting to head in

893
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:29,560
their direction this that has a light on

894
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:31,930
the front it's a black triangle-shaped

895
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:34,690
it has a light on the front it has a red

896
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:36,490
light on the bottom and it's they've

897
00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:38,380
been here subscribed so many times

898
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:41,500
before and that light is shining in

899
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:44,110
their direction so that's always good

900
00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:47,530
and it passes overhead and it actually

901
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:49,900
stops for a little bit right above them

902
00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:53,290
before taking off and at this time

903
00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:55,900
there's there's kind of a flap going on

904
00:40:01,980 --> 00:39:57,640
in the Niagara area people are seeing

905
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:01,990
black triangles all summer long and you

906
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:04,720
know they they once it's done they go

907
00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:07,090
about their business like yeah nothing

908
00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:09,790
else has happened and you know that's

909
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:11,830
that and then you think that's that but

910
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:16,480
no there's more there and they get a

911
00:40:22,830 --> 00:40:19,800
visit while later from two men in black

912
00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:22,840
they they come in they're looking for so

913
00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:25,360
far in the security the security guard

914
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:27,700
they're not there they're described as

915
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,310
really tall identical height in fact no

916
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:33,280
facial hair again the no eyebrows no or

917
00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:35,800
eyelashes a hair that looks like like

918
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:37,540
it's attached to their hat because they

919
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:39,820
both had hats on but the hair yeah it

920
00:40:44,350 --> 00:40:41,570
looks like it's attached

921
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:44,360
a very big blue eyes that they never

922
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,810
blinked extremely pale skin they had the

923
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:50,000
exact same faces and wore the same

924
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:53,330
outfits so yeah that's that's that's

925
00:41:00,820 --> 00:40:57,050
startling they they went to talk to

926
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:00,830
staff for about 30 minutes and including

927
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:03,380
the it was a travel agent that was there

928
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:06,170
and she felt like they could read her

929
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:08,150
mind and it freaked her out to no end

930
00:41:12,850 --> 00:41:10,520
they stayed for about 30 minutes and

931
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:12,860
then just left never to be seen again

932
00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:15,590
and then silver comes in the next day

933
00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:18,440
and they're in there told hey these guys

934
00:41:22,210 --> 00:41:20,180
came in they were looking for you and

935
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:22,220
sure enough he goes and looks at the

936
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:25,970
surveillance footage and sees two really

937
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,940
large men walking in mm-hmm

938
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:31,520
in the lobby wearing the exact same

939
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:34,850
clothes and looking pretty similar Wow

940
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,540
and we have this video that almost says

941
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:40,640
evidence now no I mean this thing went

942
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:42,890
viral I remember I remember when this

943
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:45,830
thing actually hit YouTube at the time

944
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:48,410
and then the case started to unravel

945
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:50,660
about what actually happened so pretty

946
00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:52,850
freaky if you ask me yeah and I mean if

947
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:54,830
you watch that video there's another man

948
00:41:59,620 --> 00:41:57,500
he's a hotel worker he comes he looks

949
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,630
like he's going out the door that these

950
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,760
two men are coming in at the same time

951
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:03,680
and he and he goes to the left and you

952
00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:05,390
could tell that these these guys are

953
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:07,940
tall they are really tall yeah yeah and

954
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:09,110
definitely on a mission

955
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:11,840
oh yeah they've got purpose written all

956
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,060
over oh man yeah it's a really

957
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:16,640
interesting I highly suggest people just

958
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:18,890
you know what just go to youtube type in

959
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:21,290
real men in black check out the video

960
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:24,770
it's pretty freaky if you ask me no Rob

961
00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:26,780
I wanna I want to sort of move on from

962
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:29,360
the mythology of the men in black we

963
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:31,670
could talk for hours about that and I'm

964
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:35,330
sure we will at some point over a glass

965
00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:39,650
of whiskey my friend oh yeah but it

966
00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:42,380
seems as though these mi B's they've

967
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:44,990
almost morphed into something new within

968
00:42:51,550 --> 00:42:47,090
the UFO community instead of threatening

969
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:51,560
people to remain silent or to to sort of

970
00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:53,510
dissuade them from coming public about

971
00:42:58,319 --> 00:42:55,099
the UFO sightings we're

972
00:43:01,150 --> 00:42:58,329
many more accounts of disinformation

973
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,160
agents as it were we have the famous

974
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:03,440
case of Richard Doty and the likes who

975
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:05,930
has actually been cropping up on social

976
00:43:09,849 --> 00:43:08,209
networks recently which is a little

977
00:43:11,859 --> 00:43:09,859
creepy you got to wonder why this dude's

978
00:43:13,509 --> 00:43:11,869
trying to get back in the UFO game could

979
00:43:15,579 --> 00:43:13,519
it be the whole Tom DeLonge thing I

980
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:15,589
don't know we will get to that in a

981
00:43:20,349 --> 00:43:18,170
little bit so what do you think man what

982
00:43:21,999 --> 00:43:20,359
do you think of disinformation agents

983
00:43:24,219 --> 00:43:22,009
within the government within the

984
00:43:26,469 --> 00:43:24,229
military does this have anything to do

985
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:26,479
with the MIB zin sort of the trickster

986
00:43:30,249 --> 00:43:28,190
ish nature of them what are your

987
00:43:32,859 --> 00:43:30,259
thoughts I think this whole

988
00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:32,869
disinformation campaign that the

989
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:35,150
government has going on because it's

990
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:37,640
it's clear that they do their best to

991
00:43:43,089 --> 00:43:40,249
try and control the public's perception

992
00:43:46,299 --> 00:43:43,099
of what UFOs are or what they could be

993
00:43:48,189 --> 00:43:46,309
and you have men in black and there

994
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:48,199
aren't as many reported cases anymore

995
00:43:53,319 --> 00:43:50,630
and and God knows how many cases go

996
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:53,329
unreported right like the the best ones

997
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,880
that we have are you know few and far

998
00:44:00,729 --> 00:43:58,640
between but you know there are enough of

999
00:44:03,309 --> 00:44:00,739
them to suggest that they are out there

1000
00:44:06,099 --> 00:44:03,319
what I feel like is going on is like

1001
00:44:09,579 --> 00:44:06,109
they're part of their their cogs in a

1002
00:44:11,949 --> 00:44:09,589
wheel almost because in a way they are

1003
00:44:13,779 --> 00:44:11,959
almost there to discredit what you have

1004
00:44:16,839 --> 00:44:13,789
seen what you have experienced they're

1005
00:44:19,259 --> 00:44:16,849
almost like a bipedal humanoid UFO

1006
00:44:22,180 --> 00:44:19,269
themselves because there's always

1007
00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:22,190
strangeness associated with them there

1008
00:44:28,059 --> 00:44:25,069
they don't act the normal way they

1009
00:44:31,089 --> 00:44:28,069
they're just so weird and then but they

1010
00:44:33,759 --> 00:44:31,099
it's them that are controlling your

1011
00:44:36,249 --> 00:44:33,769
experience at the time and then you have

1012
00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:36,259
like the Richard Doty types that come in

1013
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:40,190
and they control almost the information

1014
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,729
that you're being given now Richard Doty

1015
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:45,440
especially if you go and read or watch

1016
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:48,049
The Mirage Men documentary he talks

1017
00:44:52,269 --> 00:44:49,670
about like how essentially you're

1018
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:52,279
putting truth sandwiched between two

1019
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:54,890
lies supposedly there is some truth to

1020
00:44:59,049 --> 00:44:57,410
it but there's a lot more lies lies out

1021
00:45:01,150 --> 00:44:59,059
there and he talks about how the

1022
00:45:04,779 --> 00:45:01,160
government basically you know through

1023
00:45:06,809 --> 00:45:04,789
OSI and and in other government agencies

1024
00:45:10,019 --> 00:45:06,819
how they really shape

1025
00:45:11,759 --> 00:45:10,029
the mythology of what's going on so it's

1026
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,769
clear that this is important

1027
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:14,079
whatever whatever they're shaping and

1028
00:45:18,049 --> 00:45:15,729
how they're shaping our perception is

1029
00:45:20,909 --> 00:45:18,059
important that you have this really

1030
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:20,919
integrated system with a lot of working

1031
00:45:26,759 --> 00:45:23,109
parts and there's probably working parts

1032
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:26,769
we don't even realize so it's all cogs

1033
00:45:32,339 --> 00:45:29,650
in a machine and at certain times you're

1034
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:32,349
just getting different glimpses of the

1035
00:45:36,419 --> 00:45:34,209
cogs you're not even getting a view of

1036
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:36,429
the whole machine so it's it's all

1037
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:38,890
fascinating and how it works together to

1038
00:45:42,659 --> 00:45:41,529
control public perception now in terms

1039
00:45:44,579 --> 00:45:42,669
of those cogs in the wheel

1040
00:45:47,579 --> 00:45:44,589
we gotta move to the hot-button issue

1041
00:45:49,949 --> 00:45:47,589
this guy has been all over the news I

1042
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:49,959
have to know what you think about this

1043
00:45:56,759 --> 00:45:52,900
Tom DeLonge where do you land on this

1044
00:46:01,400 --> 00:45:56,769
entire thing is he a man in black he may

1045
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:01,410
very well be you know Tom DeLonge is

1046
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:04,630
he's kind of the outsider but at the

1047
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:06,569
same time he's not because he's inside

1048
00:46:11,699 --> 00:46:09,130
supposedly according to social media his

1049
00:46:14,789 --> 00:46:11,709
parents have like majestic clearance and

1050
00:46:18,809 --> 00:46:14,799
all that stuff which okay okay wish my

1051
00:46:21,299 --> 00:46:18,819
parents had majestic yeah like it was so

1052
00:46:23,549 --> 00:46:21,309
weird that he tweets out like what his

1053
00:46:27,269 --> 00:46:23,559
parents government level clearance is

1054
00:46:29,579 --> 00:46:27,279
but Tom DeLonge is is this hybrid

1055
00:46:31,499 --> 00:46:29,589
between what Steven Greer tried to do

1056
00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:31,509
has tried to do with the disclosure

1057
00:46:35,999 --> 00:46:33,939
project and that whole press conference

1058
00:46:39,209 --> 00:46:36,009
that he had back in the early 2000s any

1059
00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:39,219
and he's also like this hybrid of Robert

1060
00:46:44,819 --> 00:46:41,589
Bigelow he thinks he can be bold and you

1061
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:44,829
can't my problem is is like today when

1062
00:46:48,299 --> 00:46:47,140
we throw around the word disclosure all

1063
00:46:50,939 --> 00:46:48,309
right

1064
00:46:53,269 --> 00:46:50,949
we're getting to the truth and here we

1065
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:53,279
are we have all of these retired

1066
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:55,630
government officials people that have

1067
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:57,130
worked in the government and they're

1068
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,380
gonna bring us disclosure when in

1069
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:01,839
reality disclosure comes from the

1070
00:47:07,319 --> 00:47:04,390
government it doesn't come from Tom

1071
00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:07,329
DeLonge claiming that he wants to bring

1072
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,640
people disclosure and yet he wants to

1073
00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:12,400
build for lack of a better term because

1074
00:47:18,089 --> 00:47:14,849
I don't want to get into how ridiculous

1075
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:18,099
the titles that he calls these things he

1076
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:19,650
wants to build UFO

1077
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:23,970
yeah with this supposedly you know Tecna

1078
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:26,580
this technology that has supposedly you

1079
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,770
know been Declassified or whatever I

1080
00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:30,780
don't know the whole story but like it's

1081
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:33,630
ludicrous like this is not the way you

1082
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,030
bring about disclosure and at the same

1083
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:38,640
time I Tom DeLonge is not the most

1084
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:40,770
trustworthy person that I would I would

1085
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,790
go to he's nobody I trust okay I was on

1086
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:47,520
a podcast recently and we we throw

1087
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:50,130
around names for who we should be the

1088
00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:52,950
disclosure spokesperson what person

1089
00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:55,620
would you believe if they tell if they

1090
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,470
you know got this press conference going

1091
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:01,440
and presented all of this body of

1092
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,570
evidence to you it's not Tom DeLonge I

1093
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:05,460
said Tom Hanks I think that'd be perfect

1094
00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:10,140
oh what a wonderful wonderful person I

1095
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:13,230
would definitely get him up there man I

1096
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:15,560
would believe anything that man says

1097
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:19,830
yeah I would too with Tom when you talk

1098
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,960
about things like disclosure they don't

1099
00:48:26,810 --> 00:48:23,940
come with an initial public offering of

1100
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:26,820
your company like they don't come with

1101
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:30,330
this idea that like you can start a

1102
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:33,150
company and/or an academy in this case

1103
00:48:39,860 --> 00:48:37,200
and you can you can get in on what

1104
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:39,870
they're doing if you can throw $200

1105
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:42,690
their way minimum yeah minimum and

1106
00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:45,180
they'll let you in on the secret well

1107
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:47,580
that's not disclosure that's not

1108
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:50,520
disclosure the slightest bit to me the

1109
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,560
fundamental thing about disclosure is it

1110
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:54,480
has to come from the government and if

1111
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:56,730
it's coming from Tom DeLonge and he's

1112
00:49:00,110 --> 00:48:58,530
got all these guys that have retired

1113
00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:00,120
from government that to me is not the

1114
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,070
government that's guys have retired from

1115
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:03,900
the government that's that that's a good

1116
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:05,850
point you know I often look at the

1117
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:07,890
Citizen hearing as well as another prime

1118
00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:09,690
example of that yeah it was great that

1119
00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:12,600
the UFO community military everyone was

1120
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:14,660
bringing this information to X

1121
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:17,370
congressional members but it was a mock

1122
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:19,590
hearing this this was not this was not

1123
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:21,690
going to get to the higher-ups in actual

1124
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:24,420
government official them so I would have

1125
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:25,950
to agree with you that while it's

1126
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:28,980
fascinating the history and the resumes

1127
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:30,510
of these people DeLong is working with

1128
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:32,670
they are no longer indebted to the

1129
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,450
government

1130
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,099
I'm sure they have oats that they have

1131
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,619
to keep for certain things in terms of

1132
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:39,599
national security but they are no longer

1133
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,290
indebted and it's it's it's interesting

1134
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,450
I look forward to where this may be

1135
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:47,520
going I see it crashing and burning in

1136
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,099
terms of the actual UFO they failed

1137
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:52,079
crashing and burning but also this

1138
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,619
entire thing why is he posting hoaxed

1139
00:50:01,040 --> 00:49:58,440
UFO photos on his social media you have

1140
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,050
to wonder is this the new Richard Doty

1141
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,680
in sheep's clothing yeah and like the

1142
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:06,720
thing is too is like when you talk about

1143
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:10,230
wanting to blow the doors over on open

1144
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:11,339
on something you talk about

1145
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:14,010
whistleblowers okay you you you got

1146
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,290
these people inside that can you know

1147
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,300
blow the lid off of everything what that

1148
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:20,280
doesn't work for the UFO phenomenon it

1149
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,650
never has it didn't work for Bob Lazar

1150
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:24,540
it did not work for Phil Schneider

1151
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:27,810
whether you which those guys are not

1152
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:29,790
believable at all because you know Bob

1153
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:31,530
Lazar his credentials have never been

1154
00:50:36,109 --> 00:50:34,290
you know established neither has Phil

1155
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:36,119
Schneider's and I mean Phil Schneider is

1156
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,310
pretty much connected to almost every

1157
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,839
conspiracy theory there is out there

1158
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,359
your sting I I I'm gonna have to have

1159
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:44,640
you on what Jeremy Korbel my friend said

1160
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:48,660
I shot this Bob Lazar thing he's an

1161
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:49,980
interesting he's an interesting

1162
00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:53,819
character but it didn't help that he got

1163
00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:56,819
arrested a year after coming out with

1164
00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:59,190
all that stuff but like these people are

1165
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:01,619
not they're not helping so like the

1166
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:03,630
whistleblower phenomena does not apply

1167
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,089
here and and and it's kind of sad

1168
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,880
because in in most other things you take

1169
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:10,619
this to the press it blows the doors

1170
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:13,740
wide open like it did with Enron and all

1171
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,990
these other types of you know bad stuff

1172
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:17,940
going on in the world but this is a

1173
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:20,579
unique thing where unless it comes

1174
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:23,369
directly from the government and the

1175
00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:25,770
government becomes more transparent it's

1176
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,670
not going to be believable and as as

1177
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:31,920
your publisher Richard Dolan has alluded

1178
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,290
to again and again and again our

1179
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,300
government has become less and less and

1180
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:38,640
less transparent over time and and

1181
00:51:43,530 --> 00:51:41,339
that's it and then it just becomes a

1182
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:43,540
pipe dream so yeah

1183
00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:46,390
it's uh it's sobering in some ways I

1184
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:49,060
mean this clearly shows that even up

1185
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:52,030
until today that we are not going to get

1186
00:51:55,950 --> 00:51:54,010
that disclosure that everyone dreams of

1187
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,960
I don't see it happening within my

1188
00:52:01,440 --> 00:51:58,480
lifetime it is either going to come

1189
00:52:03,570 --> 00:52:01,450
officially forced I believe by whatever

1190
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:03,580
whatever intelligence may be out there

1191
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:05,980
coming here and forcing their hand and

1192
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:08,230
saying we're here or it's going to come

1193
00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:10,930
person by person and their personal UFO

1194
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:13,060
sightings their personal encounters and

1195
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,460
that'll be their personal disclosure in

1196
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:17,920
my opinion what do you think yeah I

1197
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:21,490
think one day down the line you know if

1198
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:24,220
if we can because it it really makes you

1199
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:27,970
wonder if you know with these UFOs we're

1200
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:28,810
seeing them

1201
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,110
I've seen them you've seen one we're all

1202
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:34,720
seeing them they clearly mean something

1203
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:36,610
they're clearly here for a reason

1204
00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:38,500
whether they're designed by the

1205
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,360
government or not I don't believe that

1206
00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:42,400
all of them are I believe that a good

1207
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:44,920
portion of them are but at a certain

1208
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:46,050
point

1209
00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:48,340
whoever's flying those needs to come

1210
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:50,440
down get out they gotta come talk to us

1211
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:53,530
and I think I think maybe someday they

1212
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,050
will but unless unless that the

1213
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:00,880
government strictly comes out and says

1214
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:03,370
so yeah it's it's it's gonna be a long

1215
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,930
time and that does it sky knew pressing

1216
00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:10,240
but at the same time we are clearly

1217
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:12,760
important enough that these things keep

1218
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,790
appearing to us and we can't overlook

1219
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:18,160
that fact whatever they are I think

1220
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:20,560
there's that hope you have to hold on to

1221
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:23,170
that hope that eventually someday in the

1222
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:25,000
future we'll get to the bottom of it

1223
00:53:28,050 --> 00:53:26,890
that is a very optimistic view and I'd

1224
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:28,060
have to agree with you man

1225
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:30,010
I'm definitely with you on that one well

1226
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:33,370
in terms of personal research you are

1227
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:34,990
going to be coming out with a podcast

1228
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:37,300
soon and I want to hear about this man

1229
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:39,610
what what what do you got going on what

1230
00:53:45,110 --> 00:53:42,190
can we expect what is it called give me

1231
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:45,120
all the details on your podcast so I

1232
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,340
UFOs have been something that is

1233
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,800
fascinated by mind since I was a kid and

1234
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:52,960
I was being terrorized by Robert Stack

1235
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:55,330
on unsolved mysteries that man scares me

1236
00:54:02,120 --> 00:53:57,000
to this day yeah

1237
00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:02,130
that music alone but the UFO thing it's

1238
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:04,620
been it's been there the whole time and

1239
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:06,900
and and I've been I've been involved in

1240
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,270
other podcasts nothing paranormal but

1241
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,460
they eventually fell through and I

1242
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:13,800
decided like man I really want to mate I

1243
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:16,890
really want to do something here so over

1244
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,330
the course of the last six months I've

1245
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:20,760
been putting together this idea of a

1246
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:24,780
podcast that is slowly materialized into

1247
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:26,910
what is going to be known as the our

1248
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:29,610
strange skies podcast because we do have

1249
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:31,530
some really strange stuff in our skies

1250
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:35,520
in the States oh yeah so I'm gonna be

1251
00:54:43,850 --> 00:54:40,650
looking at the UFO events and myths that

1252
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:43,860
kind of make up our identity as a

1253
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,200
country because then there are a lot of

1254
00:54:51,110 --> 00:54:48,540
these sightings and stuff that make up

1255
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:51,120
like a state's identity or a town's

1256
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:54,390
identity to the point where like every

1257
00:54:59,060 --> 00:54:56,460
year in Kecksburg they celebrate the

1258
00:55:03,710 --> 00:54:59,070
Kecksburg crash and Roswell has its own

1259
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:03,720
thing and Mothman festival and like that

1260
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:06,180
is always fascinated me to know and so

1261
00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:08,040
I'm going to be talking about some of

1262
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:10,320
the UFO events that people know a lot

1263
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:12,330
about and some that people may not know

1264
00:55:18,350 --> 00:55:15,540
so much about and just gonna dive into

1265
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:18,360
this really strange place that is the

1266
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:20,760
States I've always been kind of insulted

1267
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:23,490
by Neil Gaiman 'he's american cards

1268
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:25,470
because there's a quote at the beginning

1269
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,420
of it saying that the gods were too

1270
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,040
scared to cross the ocean I'm like dude

1271
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,720
we got our own gods over here man I

1272
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,880
don't know what you're thinking you just

1273
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:34,440
you only need to look up in the skies

1274
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:36,110
you'll see them no problem

1275
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:39,000
exactly man just get get your eyes off

1276
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:40,830
the phone and you put them in the sky

1277
00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:43,110
that's why I keep preaching that to the

1278
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:44,430
people the younger people getting

1279
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:46,170
involved with this topic who have an

1280
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,730
interest but they're too busy looking

1281
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:49,740
down instead of looking up well that's

1282
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:51,060
that's fascinating man that's

1283
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:52,980
sociological aspect of all this has

1284
00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:55,170
always intrigued me most so I really

1285
00:55:59,240 --> 00:55:57,120
look forward to hearing these historical

1286
00:56:01,160 --> 00:55:59,250
events the folklore behind it all and

1287
00:56:03,110 --> 00:56:01,170
how it does shape us look at other

1288
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:03,120
countries and how they deal with UFOs

1289
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:04,950
it's much different than how we deal

1290
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,290
with it here in America so I am sure

1291
00:56:10,070 --> 00:56:08,640
that is something you're going to tackle

1292
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:10,080
for sure

1293
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:12,180
if any of our listeners do want to reach

1294
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,650
out to you do you have anywhere that

1295
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,180
they can find you right now where you're

1296
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:17,400
willing to let us know about yeah I've

1297
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:19,770
got I've already got some social media

1298
00:56:25,580 --> 00:56:22,530
up the podcast I've got a Twitter page

1299
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:25,590
at our strange skies and there's a

1300
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,990
Facebook page right now facebook.com

1301
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:30,240
slash our strange skies you could reach

1302
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:33,210
reach me there I'm also on Twitter at

1303
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:39,240
your UFO guy ye our UFO guy so reach out

1304
00:56:43,820 --> 00:56:41,100
to me I'm always willing to talk about

1305
00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:43,830
this stuff it's so it's so much fun to

1306
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:46,590
dive into this stuff and just really you

1307
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:49,020
know look at it and try to figure it all

1308
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:50,760
out so for reach out to me that's

1309
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:52,290
awesome and I love when people are

1310
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:56,010
willing to listen and to hear out other

1311
00:56:59,240 --> 00:56:57,480
people's thoughts and opinions and

1312
00:57:00,440 --> 00:56:59,250
that's exactly what we did today you

1313
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:00,450
know you started listening to my show

1314
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,790
and I realized how knowledgeable you

1315
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:05,250
were I have to get him on he's got to be

1316
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:07,350
one of my guests and it's clear it's

1317
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:08,910
clear that you do your research and I

1318
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,170
couldn't think of a better person to

1319
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:12,420
cover the men in black with me today so

1320
00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:14,010
I got to thank you for coming on

1321
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:15,390
somewhere in the skies and I'm wishing

1322
00:57:19,220 --> 00:57:16,800
you all the best with your upcoming

1323
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:19,230
endeavor dude thank you so much this has

1324
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:21,960
been a blast I was been excited to do

1325
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:24,030
this since you asked me to come on so

1326
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:26,190
thank you of course pleasure was all

1327
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:27,780
mine alright that is it for this week's

1328
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:29,670
episode please be sure to check out

1329
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:31,590
Rob's work soon I'll keep you all posted

1330
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,260
on when the are strange skies podcast

1331
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:36,780
premieres the show is on twitter at

1332
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:39,540
somewhere skies instagram at somewhere

1333
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:41,790
skies pod and all past episodes and

1334
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:43,410
articles can be found on the website

1335
00:57:49,070 --> 00:57:46,650
someone in the skies calm also i've

1336
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:49,080
released a brand new design for merch

1337
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:50,610
over at the somewhere in the sky store

1338
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:54,000
star wars fans will be very pleased be

1339
00:57:58,550 --> 00:57:55,290
sure to check out the store and help

1340
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public comm and search for somewhere in

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the skies that's t ee public comm and if

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you don't hear from rob ryan x tweak

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it's very likely the MIB has got to us

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in that event it's been a hell of a ride

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and remember keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching so

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[Music]

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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Third Kind productions in association

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with antica productions and the antic a

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podcast network to learn more visit

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antica productions comm hey I'm Adam

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grow host to pick a number on the antic

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a podcast network if you were one of my

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guests you know you wouldn't have to

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prepare anything that's because the

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great conversation is stimulated by

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interesting facts associated with a

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number so just just be the number man

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okay let it happen follow the show on